Desert Skies
Tucson Amateur Astronomy Association
Volume XLVI, Number 6 June, 2000
Contents
BEGINNERS LECTURE: Friday, June 2, 6:30 pm at the Steward Observatory Auditorium - Room N210. This month's topic is "Inside the Astronomer's Toolbox" by Craig Kulesa.
GENERAL MEETING: Friday, June 2, 7:30 pm at the Steward Observatory Auditorium - Room N210. Topic is Member's Night by TAAA Members.
BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING: Thursday, June 8, 7:00 pm at Steward Observatory Conference room N305.
STAR PARTIES AND EVENTS:
Newsletter Schedule: Deadline for articles: Monday, May 15. Printing: Tuesday, May 23. Folding Party: Wednesday, May 24. Mailing: Thursday, May 25. The newsletter is scheduled to be in the mail at least one week prior to the following month's General Meeting.
Newsletter Schedule: Deadline for articles: Monday, Mar. 20. Printing: Tuesday, Mar. 28. Folding Party: Wednesday, Mar. 29. Mailing: Thursday, Mar. 30. The newsletter is scheduled to be in the mail at least one week prior to the following month's General Meeting.
Office Name Phone Email ------ ---- ----- ----- President John Kalas 620-6502 jckalas@aol.com Vice-President Andy Cooper 795-3585 acooper@pobox.com Secretary Jane Tongate 623-4056 triton@dakotanet.com Treasurer Terri Lappin 579-0185 tlappin@as.arizona.edu Member-at-Large Robert Callanan 818-1315 tucsonbac@aol.com Member-at-Large Bill Lofquist 297-6653 wlofquist@aol.com Member-at-Large Steve Peterson 326-5303 swpeterson@theriver.com Chief Observer Wayne Johnson Newsletter Editor George Barber 822-2392 barbergj@flash.net Star Parties Maggie & Jeff Buzek 760-4578 jeffbuzek@aol.com AL Correspondent Laurel Dunlap 544-7780 T4T@Jarnac.org Astrophoto SIG Dean Ketelsen 293-2855 ketelsen@as.arizona.edu Computers SIG Rodger Tanner 574-3876 rtanner@seds.lpl.arizona.eduTAAA Mission Statement
We are a resource for anyone interested in astronomy. It is our mission to nurture a person's natural curiosity about the night sky. By giving people a knowledge and understanding of astronomy, we enhance their enjoyment of the solar system and beyond. Through our public activities and school evening observing sessions, we bring astronomy to persons of all ages. Our regular meetings and observing sessions offer members a forum to meet others with similar interests and experiences and to learn from one another.
Membership in the TAAA
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Desert Skies is published monthly by the Tucson Amateur Astronomy Association, PO Box 41254, Tucson, Arizona 85717
As I begin my third year as president, I would like to thank the Board of Directors for their dedication to the organization. Thanks go to Ingrid Saber, outgoing Secretary, and Daniel Manrique, outgoing Member-at-Large. Welcome to incoming Secretary, Jane Tongate, and incoming Member-at-Large, Steve Peterson. Together with the returning board members; Andrew Cooper, Terri Lappin, Bill Lofquist, Robert Callanan, and myself, we will have the resources for guiding the TAAA through another progressive year. I'm looking forward to it!
The Desert Museum Public Star Party on Saturday, May 6th, was a resounding success. TAAA Members turned out in-force to set up an estimated 25 telescopes. The Desert Museum Security Guards estimated that about 400 people attended the event. The weather was very good and everyone seemed to enjoy them selves. The only downside was having to pack up at 10:30 pm. Most members were just getting warmed up. Many thanks to all TAAA Members who attended and particularly John Polacheck, TAAA coordinator of the event. The TAAA would like to make this an annual activity.
In last month's newsletter, there were two requests for volunteers; for Astrophotography Special Interest Group Coordinator and for TAAA Historian. I am pleased to announce that two TAAA Members stepped forward and offered to take on the responsibilities. Dean Ketelsen will develop and coordinate a program for the Astrophotography SIG and Stan DeBuse will research the history of our organization. Future newsletters will contain information pertaining to these two activities. Thanks to Dean and Stan for volunteering.
John Kalas
Beginner's Lecture
"Inside the Astronomer's Toolbox"
By Craig Kulesa
How do astronomers know the distances to the nearby stars, or to entire galaxies? What evidence is there for black holes, or dark matter? How do astronomers discover planets around nearby stars when they can't directly see them? In this short talk, we'll explore a couple of the fundamental tools that enable astronomers to probe the Universe.
Craig Kulesa is a finishing graduate student at the University of Arizona. Stemming from a lifelong interest in amateur astronomy, he now studies molecular clouds and star formation in the Milky Way and in nearby galaxies.
Main Meeting
"Members Night"
This month's meeting is dedicated to TAAA members and gives them an opportunity to present their astronomy-related projects or interests. Unfortunately, this event was not publicized in last month's newsletter, so the notice may be a little short for some of you. But there must be members who have an interesting project or activity that they would like to share with others. Call John Kalas at 620-6502 to reserve a spot on the agenda.
TAAA Bok Award
By Gary Rosenbaum
The TAAA Bart and Priscilla Bok award was established in 1981 as a way to honor Bart and Priscilla Bok and to recognize local amateur astronomers for their outstanding accomplishments. This year, the award will be presented to L. Eduardo Vega at the June TAAA meeting. Ed has been very generous in providing his personal observatory, the Vega-Bray Observatory, for numerous public functions. TAAA members have enjoyed the use of the observatory for many years at our annual picnic and other TAAA organized star parties. Ed has hosted many educational star parties for school, church and other civic groups. Ed established a local chapter of the IDA, the Southern Arizona International Dark Sky Association (SAIDA). The SAIDA exists as a result of Ed's commitment to fighting light pollution in southern Arizona.
The past recipients of this award are Duane Niehaus, David Levy, Pierre Schwaar, Rik Hill, James McGaha, Gary Rosenbaum, Teresa Lappin and Bob Goff. The past recipients of this award select the awardees.
Beginners Lecture Speakers Needed
TAAA members have traditionally given our Beginners Lectures, but finding speakers has become a challenge. These are popular lectures, especially with our beginners, and we would hate to eliminate them for lack of speakers. If you can give a Beginners Lecture, please let Terri Lappin know. (I count on volunteers to make themselves known...I hate twisting arms.)
We aren't looking for seasoned expert speakers. Anyone can give these lectures. Ideally, Beginners Lectures are no more than 30 minutes long. And, if you are a beginner, don't consider yourself off the hook! All it takes is a little research and anyone could give a lecture. If you need slides or other materials, talk to Terri or any board member and we will see what we can do. Topics are basic astronomy or observational in nature and should pertain to something of interest to beginners. The topic is your choice or you can ask for a topic to be given to you. Recent lectures have been light pollution, supernova basics, and objects in Orion.
Member News
We welcome the most recent members who have joined the TAAA: Thomas D Alexander, Roger Brubaker, Adrian Dorsey and her family, Lera R Gates, Bernice and Eugene Isaacs, Steve Johnson, and Sharon and Robert Pettus. Glad to have you join! If you haven't already, be sure to pick up a new members pack at a meeting. Hope you'll make it to our star parties or meetings so we can all get to know you.
Telescopes For Telethon 2000 Recap
Laurel Dunlap
Telescopes For Telethon 2000 was a tremendously successful event in spite of clouds and wind and dust. Club members enjoyed the Sabino Canyon site as much as they did each other's company. Members got to share some telescope basics with the people who did stop to inquire as to our set up. Currently, the Tucson total contribution for T4T stands at ~$2,400! Quite a remarkable sum indeed. I would again like to thank all of those who endured the weather and as you can see from the photos, many had a great time.
MDA's children's camp in the White Mountains this summer would be glad to have a TAAA/TAL club member bring a "wheelchair friendly" telescope, and share the night sky with their campers. If any of you might be in the Show Low/Heber area June 14th, and would like to join David and Wendee Levy, Dean Koenig, and Laurel Dunlap, spend a few observing hours with the MDA youth, contact me at T4T@Jarnac.org or 544-7780. Many of the children who attend these camps are wheelchair bound and this would be a consideration for any telescope operators. Scopes need to be "wheelchair height" friendly. For additional information, you may also contact the Southern Arizona Chapter of MDA, Anastasia Piper ahpiper@aol.com or 795-3434.
David and Wendee Levy attended camp for the first time last year, and thoroughly enjoyed the excitement on the faces of the kids who "reached for the stars through the lens in their scope, ...some for the very first time!"
Grand Canyon Star Party
June 3-10
By Dean Ketelsen
Well, star party time is here, hope you will be there! Most important at this late date, if you told me you were coming to the star party via phone or verbally informing me (an e-mail is better), shame on you! I tend to forget these important things and as a result, I may not have mailed you a fee waiver and other information. If you have not gotten a mailing from me and you will be volunteering with us by bringing a telescope, call me immediately and make sure I know you are coming. It may not be too late to get a waiver to you (saves you$20 at the Grand Canyon entrance station).
The other thing is that the Park Service sent us a new list of rules. You would think that after a successful 9 year run that there would be little need for that, but I think they are trying to take a little control of what has been a growing event. Andrew Cooper posted the new list of rules at the Grand Canyon page of the TAAA website (63.134.241.238). If you plan on attending, please give them a look to see what they find objectionable. Most are pretty normal (no helium balloon releases, stay away from the condors), but most cover the way we should behave as volunteers for the Park Service. I need to get some clarification on several, and if any of you have questions or concerns, let me know.
As usual with the recent coverage in Sky and Telescope and Astronomy, as well as mention in Sunset and several airline magazines we are getting a wealth of recent requests for info. Fortunately the website is a great resource for all those questions. Seems like a normal size star party response, so we should have a pretty good presence.
As has been standard the last few years, we are likely to have a cookout on Sunday the 4th and Saturday the 10th. If approved by NPS, the Saguaro Astronomy Club has offered to host the first event and will be less a pot-luck and more buffet line! With those social events, normal elbow rubbing at the rim, the great skies and the occasional escape to Tusayan for bacon-double-cheeseburger pizza, it should be a great week! As always, call or e-mail me if you have any questions or concerns. -Dean 293-2855 ketelsen@as.arizona.edu
Websites: Trips on the Internet Super-Skyway
By Rik Hill
Are you hungry for more astronomy on those full moon or cirrus-covered nights? Fifty emails per day just not enough for you? Well friends, perhaps I have the cure. Did you know there are a number of astronomy related email lists out there that cater to every astronomical special interest group you can imagine? I'm not talking about your sci.astro general-purpose list, but rather ones that specialize and educate. Let me take a moment of your time to point out just a few of the more interesting ones.
For the lunar and planetary minded there is one list that is excellent and fairly low in traffic. This is SHALLOW_SKY, a list about amateur lunar and planetary observing. It has everyone from advanced planetary imagers to the person that just got their first 6" dobsonian for their birthday. List members are always willing to help and also send out warnings and alerts about upcoming events. To join take your browser to http://www.best.com/~akkana/shallow-sky.html
Now if you're really masochistic and can't stand an empty mailbox, perhaps LunaScan is a list for you. This is usually a pretty busy list of lunar observers run by Francis L. Ridge. Most of the time the topics are on telescopic lunar imaging and observing with a membership that ranges from experienced lunar observer (and several NASA people) to, again, the novice. Check the website at: http://www.evansville.net/~slk/lunascan.html for instructions on joining. Also take a moment to enjoy the website there particularly the link to the Lunar Surface Directories. This is a spectacular library of lunar images taken by spacecraft and amateur astronomers of a wide range of talents. You will want to bookmark this website!
If you are into videography with your telescope (televideography?), or are considering it and want a line on the do's and don'ts for obtaining equipment, try the Videoastro list. This fairly chatty list usually contains discussion on not only how to obtain good video, but how to process it into images like the ones I have on my website (http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~rhill). I got a lot of help from these people when I did my first montages. They discuss frame grabbers and software for doing various processing on the images. This can save you some money in advance! To get on this list go to Egroups.com and search for "videoastro" then follow the instructions.
Lastly, if you have email you should at least be on the Arizona Observing list. This list handles local astronomical events in our state, announcing star parties, meetings and sometimes helps observers find that clear patch during a special event. To get connected here send email to: AZ-Observing-request@psiaz.com and simply put "subscribe" in the body of the message.
Now just sit back and watch the email roll in! If you know of a particularly good list that I missed, or this still doesn't provide you with enough email to read, drop me a line at rhill@lpl.arizona.edu and we'll see what we can do!
MMT Conversion Telescope Rededication
Join us In celebrating the new 6.5-meter Telescope of the MMT Observatory at an Open House and Star Party, Saturday, June 3. Come to the Smithsonian Institution's Fred Lawrence Whipple Observatory Visitors Center near Amado, Arizona.
The Visitors Center opens at 10 a.m. for Summer Saturday presentations including science demonstrations and informal lectures for all ages throughout the day. Refreshments will be served.
At 7 p.m., MMT Director Craig Foltz will give an Informal lecture on The MMT In The New Millennium. Observing begins after 7:45 p.m. in parking area next to Visitors Center.
Please cooperate with staff directing parking when you arrive. The parking spaces nearest the building are reserved for TAAA and SAS members and their telescopes. Visitors should park along the driveway or in the parking area outside the gate or along the road as directed. (Please note: Visitors will be allowed to park cars next to the building in the space usually reserved for telescopes until 5 p.m. At that time, visitors will have to move their cars to other parking spaces so that telescopes may be set up.)
For more information call 670-5707. In case of threatening weather, call 670-5707 after 4 p.m. on the 3rd for information about star party cancellation.
The Fred Lawrence Whipple Observatory, Tucson Amateur Astronomy Association, and Sonora Astronomical Society present this opportunity to see the stars under dark Southern Arizona skies.
Astronomer volunteers and teachers needed for Project ASTRO - Year Five!
The NOAO Educational Outreach Office is now accepting applications from TEACHERS and ASTRONOMERS (professional, amateur, and students) who wish to take part in Project ASTRO's fifth year in Tucson. This program forms partnerships between scientists and teachers and provides training, materials, and support for participants. Partnerships will take place next academic year (2000/2001) and the training workshop is scheduled for October 13-14, 2000.
Applications will be accepted through August 30. Consider applying as an astronomer partner (a degree in astronomy is NOT required) and get involved in this worthwhile teacher enhancement program. For more information about Project ASTRO visit this web page: http://www.noao.edu/outreach/astro/ or contact Ginny Beal, gbeal@noao.edu, or 318-8535.
SOUTHERN ARIZONA SECTION OF THE INTERNATIONAL DARK SKY ASSOCIATION (SA-IDA)
During the last meeting of the SA-IDA, the following officers were appointed:
CHAIRPERSON: ED VEGA
VICE CHAIR: JOHN POLACHECK
TREASURER: BYRON SKINNER
SECRETARY: SHEILA TEPPER
The new BYLAWS of SA-IDA were also approved. The Southern Arizona Section is now an official branch of the International Dark-Sky Association.
All whom are interested in helping with the light pollution issues of Arizona, please attend the regular meetings of SA-IDA. These are held 5.30 PM to 7.00 PM on the second Wednesday of each month at the offices of IDA at 3225 N. First Ave, Tucson (NW corner of Fort Lowell and First Ave; park on the West side of the Lighting store there).
The next meeting of SA-IDA is Wednesday June 14th. DARK AND CLEAR SKIES!
TAAA Beginners Star Party at TIMPA
June 3 (Saturday)
What makes this event special is that our novice members can get help with observing issues or equipment problems. There will be experienced members present who would be more than happy to help. If you don't own a telescope, don't worry. There will be lots of scopes set up and everyone is invited to look through them. This is a great way to check out the different telescope designs before you make that all-important decision to buy. There is no scheduled talk for this activity. Just come out with lots of questions and we'll do our best to get you the answers you need. Arrive at about 7:30 pm for a group question and answer session. It should be dark enough to observe by 8:30 pm. If you have friends who might be interested in amateur astronomy, bring them along. Be prepared for mosquitoes and bring some insect repellant. Directions to the TIMPA here.
Walker Elementary School Star Party North-Central
June 6 (Tuesday) No. of Scopes: 10
The school is located at 1750 W. Roller Coaster Rd. Take Oracle Rd to River Rd. Turn west on River Rd to La Canada. Go north on La Canada to Roller Coaster Rd and turn west. The school will be on the north side of the road. Look for the area where the busses are parked. Access this area, and proceed to the very back of the school. The set-up area is on a playground. There should be someone from the school to help direct TAAA volunteers to the set-up area. Set-up begins at 7:30pm. Observing is from 8:00 pm to approximately 9:00 pm. A star party leader is needed for this event. A sign up sheet will be available at the June meeting.
TAAA Annual Picnic
June 24 (Saturday)
It's finally here! The "funnest" TAAA activity of the year. Be there or be square.
Saturday, June 24th, Ed and Pat Vega have graciously offered Vega-Bray Observatory in Benson for our big annual TAAA family picnic/pot luck. Barbecue grills and soft drinks are provided. Bring your own food plus an item to share. Bring all of your own plates and utensils. A camping table or card table and chairs are handy. Just in case, pack some insect repellent.
Don't forget to bring your telescope! If you don't bring one, don't worry. There are many telescopes at the observatory to look through. Ed and Pat have turned the inn into a veritable museum of interesting scientific items. There are lots of things for the kids. If you have never visited the Vega-Bray Observatory, here's your chance. It's fantastic! Arrive as early as 4:00 pm and take advantage of the surroundings; a fish pond and hiking trails.
To get to the Vega-Bray Observatory, take Interstate 10 East. Turn off at Exit 306 (Pomerene Rd.). Head east on the frontage road to Benson Airport Road. Turn right (south) on Benson Airport Road and go 1.9 miles to the observatory and inn entry gate. Follow the dirt drive to the base of the observatory/inn hill. Park in the lot at the base of the hill. If necessary, you may drive your car up the hill to unload telescope equipment and then return to the parking area.
Empire Ranch Star Party
July 1 (Saturday)
Our new moon star party at Empire Ranch, come join us under dark skies, monsoons permitting.
DARK SKIES (no twilight, no moonlight) for Tucson in 24-hour MST: 18=6pm, 20=8pm, 22=10pm, 0=12am RISE, SET, VISIBILITY for sun and bright planets: rise for morning object, set for evening object We/Th 31/ 1 21:04 - 3:40 Su/Mo 11/12 2:44 - 3:37 Th/Fr 22/23 21:15 - 23:43 Th/Fr 1/ 2 21:05 - 3:39 Mo/Tu 12/13 3:18 - 3:36 Fr/Sa 23/24 21:15 - 0:16 Fr/Sa 2/ 3 21:05 - 3:39 Tu/We 13/14 - - - Sa/Su 24/25 21:15 - 0:49 Sa/Su 3/ 4 21:06 - 3:38 We/Th 14/15 - - - Th/Fr 15/16 - - - Su/Mo 25/26 21:15 - 1:23 Su/Mo 4/ 5 22:02 - 3:38 Fr/Sa 16/17 FULL MOON Mo/Tu 26/27 21:15 - 1:58 Mo/Tu 5/ 6 22:58 - 3:38 Sa/Su 17/18 - - - Tu/We 27/28 21:15 - 2:38 Tu/We 6/ 7 23:46 - 3:37 We/Th 28/29 21:15 - 3:22 We/Th 7/ 8 0:27 - 3:37 Su/Mo 18/19 - - - Th/Fr 29/30 21:15 - 3:41 Th/Fr 8/ 9 1:05 - 3:37 Mo/Tu 19/20 21:14 - 21:51 Fr/Sa 30/ 1 21:15 - 3:41 Fr/Sa 9/10 1:39 - 3:37 Tu/We 20/21 21:14 - 22:32 Sa/Su 1/ 2 21:15 - 3:42 Sa/Su 10/11 2:12 - 3:37 We/Th 21/22 21:15 - 23:09 Weekend Sun Sun Mercury Venus Mars Jupiter Saturn Sa/Su Set Rise Set Vi Rise Vi Set Vi Rise Vi Rise Vi Vi=Visibility 3/ 4 19:25 5:15 21:13 3 5:10 - 20:02 - 4:08 3 4:10 6 -3 brilliant 10/11 19:28 5:15 21:13 4 Set 19:56 - 3:46 2 3:45 4 0 conspicuous 17/18 19:31 5:15 20:58 5 19:39 - 19:49 - 3:23 0 3:20 2 3 moderate 24/25 19:32 5:17 20:27 9 19:49 9 19:42 - 3:01 -1 2:55 2 6 naked eye limit 1/ 2 19:33 5:20 19:44 - 19:57 8 19:34 - 2:39 -1 2:30 1 9 binoculars limit By Erich Karkoschka
TIMPA Update
The club has received a verbal acknowledgement from Kitt Peak regarding receipt of the letter requesting consideration of the expense for transporting the dome and support building from the storage area on the side of the mountain up to the parking lot. Let the negotiations begin! On Sunday, May 21, a group of TAAA Members went to the TIMPA Site to review the changes required to make the club's 16" telescope more user-friendly. Sub-committee meetings will be called on an "as needed" basis. Anyone interested in attending either the Long Range Planning or Site Prep Sub-committees, should contact Terri Lappin at 579-0185 or Andrew Cooper at 795-3585, respectively.
What is TIMPA, Anyway? See the TIMPA Page for more information
Watch the newsletter for announcements about TIMPA activities and how you can help.
TAAA Board of Directors Meeting - April 12, 2000
EDITOR'S NOTE: These minutes were not available for inclusion in the May edition of the newsletter and are presented here for the benefit of the members. The following information are summaries of the topics discussed at the board meeting. Complete minutes of this meeting are available for review at the next monthly meeting from Ingrid Saber, TAAA Secretary.
Location: Steward Observatory Conference Room N305, University
of Arizona
Call to Order: 7:04 pm
Board Members Present: John Kalas, Andrew Cooper, Ingrid Saber,
Terri Lappin, Robert Callanan, Bill Lofquist
Board Members Absent: Daniel Manrique
Meeting adjourned: 10:00 pm
FOR SALE: Unobstructed 8-in. reflector (3 tilted mirrors, Buchroeder design). The contrast of a refractor, with no color distortion. Scope has reputation in TAAA (ask Dean or Terri). Fork-mounted, Opticraft drive, Orion Sky Wizard digital finder/catalog. 80mm optical finder, 7 eyepieces (incl Televue Panoptic), 2-in. star diagonal, laser collimator, 8-in. glass solar filter. Over $5000 in items like these alone for $2500. Terms. Ed Blair, Payson (520) 474-0591. blair@futureone.com (9/00)
FOR SALE: Meade ETX-90EC Telescope with Autostar computer includes; right angle & straight-thru finderscopes, two tripods (tabletop & deluxe field tripods), erecting prism, electronic focusser, camera T-Adapter, and hard carrying case. See this setup at Starizona or call Joe at 722-3367. (9/00)
FOR SALE: Meade Pixtor 416XT CCD Camera. Asking $1250. Call John Baker at 544-4570. (8/00)
FOR SALE: Celestron 7x50 Binoculars with case. Asking $100. Call Duane Niehaus at 290-1722. (8/00)
FOR SALE: Meade 12" LX200 SCT Telescope, includes: super wedge, tripod, custom storage box on wheels, Telrad finderscope, 2" Astro-Physics barlow, Pentax 40mm eyepiece. Excellent condition, used about 12 times. Asking $4,500. Call Doug at (520) 762-5135 or e-mail at: clemans@flash.net. (7/00)
SERVICE: Custom machine shop work - design and manufacture of telescopes and mountings. Fabrication of small parts or repair of existing hardware. For consultation and price quotes, call Duane Niehaus at 290-1722.
Can be found on the TIMPA Page
Can be found on the Empire Ranch Page
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